Curse

RhanoctJocosa · Sep 05, 2007, 12:39 PM // 12:39

OP, no people don't bother. This is why GW is a dying game; PvE sucks too!

Jetdoc · Sep 05, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Why is that a bad thing?

Once people pay for the game, it is up to them how they play it. I expect a vast majority of people hero/hench these days. You can still talk with guildies etc while doing so.

It's a bad thing for those of us that actually want to play with others.

I've been in Dasha Vestibule for over a month now, and haven't been able to get together an all human party (other than Margrid) in less than 90 minutes.

That's a REALLY good sign about what's wrong with GW at the moment.

Etta · Sep 05, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

It's a bad thing for those of us that actually want to play with others.

What about the others who don't actually want to pugs then? Are you going to force them to play with random people?

Clone · Sep 05, 2007, 06:10 PM // 18:10

The one change I would like to address was the way GW:EN moves somewhat seamlessly into missions. In the past games, I've used heroes and hench for most quests, but real groups for most missions. With the way GW:EN eliminated all mission staging areas and towns to start missions in, I frequently found myself halfway through big missions before I realized I was even doing one. It may have made for more smooth plot progression, but removed the signals I had previously used for when it would be good to take some time and form a real group.

Jetdoc · Sep 05, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Etta

What about the others who don't actually want to pugs then? Are you going to force them to play with random people?

It's the flip side of the coin for the other position.

The key is those people in the middle - those that are rather ambivalent as to whether they would PuG or use AI. Because of the difficulty in getting a PuG nowadays, those middle people are choosing to H/H it, since it is just easier (and quicker) to get a party together that way.

And that simply aggravates the problem.

bhavv · Sep 05, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Well, right now Ive been trying to find one other person that like me has all heroes equipped and full unlocks for 5 days.

5 days

Did you hear? I said FIVE GOD DAMN FREAKING DAYS

No one has decent skills unlocked, no one can play well enough to beat the missions on HM, all I ever get is crap skill bars. I spent 3 days looking for group on boreas after which I managed to beat the kraken, and have spent the last two looking for people gor Gyala hatchery HM. I got some today, but they were terrible (info in the other thread).

So, firstly I cant find people to play the game for several days.

Secondly when I do they are rubbish.

UnChosen · Sep 05, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46

That's because all the good people had already done them with the heroes....

Its funny how in prophecies, easy to find pug.
In factions, easy to find pug as well.
In nightfall, nearly impossible to find pug.
Places unhenchable, easy to find pug.

I simply do not believe the "OHH, people had always used henchies" NOT ONE single person decided to switch to anti-social mode because of the addition of hero? doubt it.

Pugs with "crappy bar" ruined pugging? What about temple of ages, underworld, etc. where there's no usable hench? Going by that logic everyone should be guilding or refuse to play because pugging is a sin...

If its because of old places not getting as many people, then its a fine reason for heroes and hench. But since the game is a MMO/CORPG, multiplayer play should always take priority, whether the people are bad or not.

And I am almost 100% sure it is more like people being picky about have "THE" skill bar more than "everyone have horrible skill bar but me".

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 05, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

I don't find the game to be dead; I do plenty of socializing in towns.

Captain Sarcastic · Sep 05, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

For grouping?

I prefer guildies, allies, heroes, or henchies, in that order. I don't PUG anymore. It causes PTSD.

MirageMaster · Sep 05, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Why would i ever want to group with you all? I am fine alone with heros i dont need you real ppl cause i simply hate you all.

zamial · Sep 05, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

This thread is pretty interesting,with people pro and against the pug.
I REFUSE to pick up anyone outside my guild, join mine or suffer.I have even shown up to help a guildie in a pug, told him to leave, added heros and hench, beat the objective, then mapped us back so he could see the same PUG still failing and rotating people through. If I can't do it with my heros/hench my friends will be able too. I have wasted 100's of hours playing in pugs just to have almost beat the objective, have leechers, idiots leave half way through, and generally rude people, insert pug issue here. I am ANTI-COOKIE CUTTER builds. I think people should play what they like to under general terms: healer, tank, nuker, ect. We have so many variations on builds, and massive experience with all the campaigns, soon to include gwen, that there is no reason to pug. A good guild will help each other with 1 persons objectives. It is through my guild that I am 3 areas away from legendary vanquisher, not heros/hench or pugs. To those poor guildless or in a micro guild children that Need a pug, LET THE DREAM DIE. Look for a good guild but don't demand from your guild that they do every mission for you. Remember helping is a 2 wat street. A team of friends is better than any PUG or heros/hench.

You can't see me · Sep 05, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

Here's how it goes down.

Know what, I'm fine with the people bringing their quote unquote "MM Dervishes" into an explorable area. I have no problem with it. The trouble is, I actually want to get things done.

I come to a mission because I want to get it done, and move on. Not hope I get it done and if I don't try again. That's a waste of time to me.

I go to Urgoz so I can load up, haul ass, and go back and do it again. I don't do it so we can laugh about having 60 DP in the first room.

I ask for experienced people because I want to get it DONE.

You play the way you want to, and I'll play mine, which centers most of the time around going to Urgoz with my guildies or Hero/Henching Eye of the North Missions.

But seriously, quit banging on hero henchers. Quit complaining that it takes away from the game play. If you can't find a group of people that want to do a mission, don't blame the people that don't want to spend two hours. The simple solution is to join a very large guild with a lot of players that have the same game play style as yourself. Don't whine that that's impossible. It's not. There are only 100 posts for guilds on these forums PvP and PvE alike and at least three guilds recruiting in local chat per major town. Even if you meet someone that seems to like what you do, ask to join his guild if they follow that sort of thing. Seriously, put forth more than an ounce of effort.

You respect my gameplay, and I'll respect yours. But don't ask for mine if you're banging on the people that want particular builds for areas to get it done faster or hero/henchers thast don't want to team with you.

Nemo the Capitalist · Sep 05, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

use heros for mallyx ull pawn him

Seraphic Divinity · Sep 06, 2007, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Do you have a sup vigor, customized weapons, a strategic and synergetic skill bar that works with my team build, and proper insignias/health/energy?

Maybe, but I don't know that and don't feel like baby-sitting a new player for each new vanquish or w/e

I know that all my heroes do, therefore, unless you convince me otherwise, I refuse to waste time with pugs :P... GF and I w/ heroes= end of pugging

populationcontrol · Sep 06, 2007, 12:30 AM // 00:30

Im also sick of that gestapo interview where party leader insist you ping and then throws you out. what i do is ping what he would want then play as whatever i want, sometimes someone (usually monk) throws a little tantrum sometimes even leaves but i dont care i play the game how i want. nowadays even refusing to sell for an offered price will have people pming you insults while ignoring you, so i tend to do almost everything with heros. im just sick of beeing insulted and told what to do in this matter of fact tone... it seems its more about making money and achievements than about game play and personal interests.

Zinger314 · Sep 06, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

Im also sick of that gestapo interview where party leader insist you ping and then throws you out. what i do is ping what he would want then play as whatever i want, sometimes someone (usually monk) throws a little tantrum sometimes even leaves but i dont care i play the game how i want. nowadays even refusing to sell for an offered price will have people pming you insults while ignoring you, so i tend to do almost everything with heros. im just sick of beeing insulted and told what to do in this matter of fact tone... it seems its more about making money and achievements than about game play and personal interests.

...says the person who's in a guild with the tag [USSR].

populationcontrol · Sep 06, 2007, 12:35 AM // 00:35

what are you trying to say i dont understand

Trub · Sep 06, 2007, 12:39 AM // 00:39

I will still offer my help to all that need it in THK..PuGs are a learning experience.....
It offers a buffet of strategies, and makes individual players actually think before they use skills, not only for their own self preservation....but to succeed as a team.
I plan on continuing to help those who need it on that lazy Sunday morning AFTER HA.

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PvE Helpful Hint #823: Gwen hates all men in general.

Alex Morningstar · Sep 06, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Pugs seem to be the people who couldn't figure out how to put a decent build on their monk heroes lately. Occasionally you'll run into someone who pugs just for lols and wtfs, but it isn't like when it was just Prophecies, when there was more people pugging because usually the henchmen sucked worse (before various AI updates).

Now there are 3 continents and an expansion to spread people out over and now there are heroes and henchmen with updated AI... the ability to get people to play with you in an outpost died a while ago. Makes sense that Anet made it possible for European and American servers to cross to each other once you look at it like that.

Pandora The Chaotic · Sep 06, 2007, 06:46 AM // 06:46

Again i'm new so I can't say much about players bars and all but regardless I would not decide a players spot in a group based on what thier bar shows cause a skilled player with a bad bar can outpreform a stupid player with a perfect one. I mention that because I too being new am getting fed up with people asking me to ping my bar and then proceed to tell me how to play, kick me, or leave if the leader doesn't.

I'm a warrior I like hammers, I have always liked the dps type of warrior and hated the cookie cutter "please bash me on the head" builds. I did my first ever FoW farming run the other day and had at least two people drop including a monk because he refused to play without a stance warrior. We went in and stayed for about 2+ hours before any sort of wipe with me tanking hammer style and I was complimented for tanking better than most warriors they have played with(Just being nice I am sure

. You'd be surprised how effective you can be when you cycle around the weaknesses and save the stuns for caster interupts.

Bottom line is people play the game to enjoy themselves and if they like H/Hing it the whole way or pugging it thats thier choice but they should not be critisized for it. I for one would love to group with some compitent players in game some time. I've finished Proph and Factions both inside of a week H/Hing it 95% of the way and would love some actual interaction for NF or EotN so if anyones looking give me a shout.